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I have pt copd with infection with hypoxia and co2 narcosis, D5 today, she was on bipap worsened today, growing mdr acinito acter. Intubated today morning. Her ventilator setting attached. Should I change anything. Planning for polymyxin by evening.

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Ventilator Assessment - COPD + MDR Acinetobacter + CO2 Narcosis (Day 1 Intubation)

What I Read From the Screen (Mindray SV300, V-SIMV Mode)

ParameterCurrent ValueTarget for COPD
ModeV-SIMVAcceptable (see below)
FiO2100%Needs reduction
TV (set)550 mLToo high
f SIMV5 bpmToo low
PEEP6 cmH2OAcceptable/monitor
Tinsp1.30 sAcceptable
Ppeak46 cmH2OHigh - alarm
Pplat34 cmH2OToo high
MVe1.7 L/minCritically low - that's the "MV Too Low" alarm
TVe409 mL (988 listed)Low effective exhaled
TVi359 mLLower than set 550 - leak/resistance
Total f5 bpmLow
ΔPsupp0 cmH2ONo PS on top

Critical Problems to Address Right Now

1. MV Too Low Alarm (1.7 L/min) - Most Urgent The minute ventilation is dangerously low. This is a post-intubation patient with CO2 narcosis. At only 5 breaths/min and effective TVe of 409 mL, she is not being ventilated. In COPD you want to avoid overventilation to prevent alkalemia and dynamic hyperinflation, but 1.7 L/min is insufficient. Target MV ~6-8 L/min initially.
Action: Increase SIMV rate to 10-12 bpm (start at 10). This gives adequate ventilation while keeping I:E ratio favorable for obstruction. Do NOT go above 14 bpm to protect expiratory time.
2. Tidal Volume - Too High AND Causing High Ppeak/Pplat 550 mL set TV for an adult COPD patient is excessive. Pplat of 34 cmH2O is at the upper acceptable limit (target <30). Ppeak of 46 is very high, largely from airflow resistance (obstructive), but Pplat should also come down.
Per Murray & Nadel: "A small tidal volume (5-7 mL/kg predicted body weight) should be used to avoid hyperinflation, overventilation, and alkalemia."
Action: Estimate ideal body weight (IBW). For a typical adult woman ~55 kg IBW, target TV = 6 mL/kg = ~330 mL. Reduce TV to 350-400 mL. This will help bring Pplat to <30.
3. FiO2 100% - Too High Post-Stabilization She had hypoxia, so 100% at intubation was appropriate. However, now titrate down. In COPD, excessive O2 can worsen CO2 retention (Haldane effect, hypoxic drive suppression).
Action: Wean FiO2 targeting SpO2 88-92% (not 95-100%). Start reducing to 60%, then titrate by SpO2.
4. PEEP 6 cmH2O - Acceptable but Monitor Closely PEEP of 6 is reasonable. Rosen's states: "PEEP can be safely set to 5 cmH2O for all patients with a COPD exacerbation." In the presence of intrinsic PEEP (auto-PEEP), you can titrate extrinsic PEEP up to 50-80% of total PEEP to offset triggering threshold. However, first measure auto-PEEP - do an end-expiratory hold maneuver (3-5 second hold). If auto-PEEP is present and high, you may need to reduce TV and rate before manipulating extrinsic PEEP.
Action: Measure auto-PEEP now. If iPEEP >8, consider reducing PEEP to 5 and focusing on optimizing expiratory time.
5. Mode - V-SIMV with No PS (ΔPsupp = 0) V-SIMV at 5 bpm with zero pressure support means spontaneous breaths get no assist. Day 1 post-intubation with CO2 narcosis - she may not be breathing spontaneously much, but if she is triggering, unsupported breaths increase work of breathing.
Action: If she is making spontaneous effort, add PS 8-10 cmH2O above PEEP. If she is fully passive/sedated right now, this is less urgent. Consider switching to V-A/C at 10-12 bpm, TV 350-400 mL, as the preferred initial mode for COPD per textbook guidance (volume-limited A/C gives better control).
6. Tinsp 1.30s - Review I:E Ratio At 5 bpm, cycle time = 12s. With Tinsp 1.30s, expiratory time = 10.7s (good I:E ~1:8). However, once you raise rate to 10-12 bpm, recheck: at 12 bpm, cycle = 5s, so expiratory time = 3.7s (I:E ~1:3) - still acceptable. If more rate needed, shorten Tinsp to 0.8-1.0s to preserve expiratory time.

Revised Ventilator Settings (Suggested)

ParameterSuggestedRationale
ModeV-A/C or V-SIMV + PS 10Better initial control
FiO2Start weaning to 60%, titrate to SpO2 88-92%Avoid O2 toxicity + CO2 retention
TV350-400 mL (~6 mL/kg IBW)Reduce hyperinflation, bring Pplat <30
Rate10-12 bpmAdequate MV, preserve expiratory time
PEEP5-6 cmH2OMaintain after measuring auto-PEEP
Tinsp1.0sAdjust if rate increases
PS8-10 cmH2O (if SIMV)Support spontaneous efforts
Target after changes: MV 6-8 L/min, Pplat <30, SpO2 88-92%, pH >7.20 (permissive hypercapnia acceptable if pH >7.20)

On Polymyxin B Plan (for MDR/XDR Acinetobacter)

Goldman-Cecil confirms:
  • Polymyxin B loading dose: 2.5 mg/kg IV x1 (infuse over 60 min)
  • Maintenance: 2.5-3.0 mg/kg/day in divided doses q12h (infuse over 60 min)
  • Duration: 7-10 days for pneumonia
Key points:
  • Polymyxin B does NOT require renal dose adjustment (unlike colistin) - this is a practical advantage in a sick COPD patient
  • Combine with a second active agent - options depend on your sensitivity report: sulbactam (ampicillin-sulbactam 3g q4h or high-dose), tigecycline (100-200 mg load, then 50-100 mg q12h), or minocycline (200 mg load, then 100-200 mg q12h). Combination therapy is strongly recommended over monotherapy for XDR Acinetobacter - per Goldman-Cecil: "combination therapy with at least 2 active agents is preferred"
  • Watch nephrotoxicity closely - polymyxin B's main risk; monitor urine output and creatinine daily
  • If available, cefiderocol (2g q8h over 3h infusion) has emerged as an alternative - the 2023 ATTACK trial (PMID 37182534, Lancet Infect Dis) showed sulbactam-durlobactam was non-inferior to colistin for CRAB - worth checking if sulbactam-durlobactam is accessible in your institution
  • Inhaled colistin as an adjunct (not replacement) may improve local lung concentrations for VAP - consider adding nebulized colistin 2 MU q8-12h via inline nebulizer if available

Other Management Reminders

  • Sedation/analgesia - Adequate sedation (target RASS -2 to -1) is needed to prevent patient-ventilator dyssynchrony and to allow permissive hypercapnia without distress. Fentanyl infusion preferred over morphine in COPD (less histamine release).
  • Bronchodilators via ventilator - Salbutamol MDI via inline spacer or nebulized ipratropium. These will help reduce Ppeak over time.
  • Monitor auto-PEEP - Do end-expiratory hold at each vent check.
  • Lung mechanics check - Repeat Pplat/compliance calculation after adjusting TV.
  • D5 fluids - If this refers to Day 5 of illness, ensure adequate nutrition via NG/NJ - early enteral feeding within 24-48h of intubation.
  • ABG in 30-60 min after vent changes to assess pH, PaCO2, PaO2/FiO2.

Bottom line: The biggest immediate fix is increasing ventilator rate to 10-12 bpm (the MV Too Low alarm is a real problem) while simultaneously reducing TV to 350-400 mL and weaning FiO2 off 100%. Polymyxin B plan is appropriate - use combination therapy, watch kidneys.
Disclaimer: This is clinical decision support, not a substitute for bedside assessment. Adjust based on patient's actual weight, ABG, auto-PEEP measurement, and real-time response.

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Amikacin as Combination with Polymyxin B - Intermediate Sensitivity: Yes, With Conditions

The Short Answer

Yes, you can try amikacin as a partner drug to polymyxin B, even with intermediate sensitivity - but only if you optimize dosing pharmacodynamically and monitor toxicity closely. "Intermediate" does not mean "don't use" - it means standard dosing will likely fail, but high-dose extended-interval dosing may achieve adequate pharmacodynamic targets.

Understanding "Intermediate" for Amikacin vs. Acinetobacter

This is the most important concept here. A 2023 PK/PD study in Antimicrobial Agents and Chemother (Lepak et al., PMID 36946729) specifically re-evaluated amikacin breakpoints for A. baumannii VAP/HAP using murine lung infection models and PK/PD simulation. Their findings:
  • The susceptible breakpoint for amikacin in Acinetobacter pneumonia is MIC ≤8 µg/mL (using maximal dosing)
  • The key PK/PD driver for aminoglycosides is AUC/MIC ratio (concentration-dependent killing)
  • At maximal dosing (25-30 mg/kg extended interval, i.e., once-daily high-dose), higher MIC strains can still achieve bactericidal targets in lung epithelial lining fluid (ELF)
What this means for your patient:
  • If her amikacin MIC is at the intermediate breakpoint (typically 16-32 µg/mL by CLSI), standard dosing (15 mg/kg) will almost certainly fail
  • If MIC is at the lower end of intermediate (e.g., 16), high-dose amikacin (25-30 mg/kg once daily) can potentially achieve the AUC/MIC target of ≥75-100 needed for lung infection
  • If MIC is ≥64, don't use it - no dose will overcome this
Ask your microbiologist for the actual MIC value, not just S/I/R. The actual number determines if this is worth pursuing.

Goldman-Cecil on Aminoglycosides for Acinetobacter

Goldman-Cecil explicitly lists amikacin as an option: "Aminoglycosides (e.g., amikacin 15-20 mg/kg then dose by therapeutic drug monitoring) are an option for treatment of urinary tract infection and potentially for systemic infections. The presence of methyl transferases limits the use of aminoglycosides."
Note the caveat - methyl transferases (armA, rmtB, etc.) cause high-level aminoglycoside resistance in MDR Acinetobacter and make amikacin useless regardless of dose. These are common in MDR strains. If your sensitivity report shows intermediate rather than resistant, methyl transferases are probably absent or partial - which is slightly reassuring.

Practical Approach: How to Use Amikacin in This Setting

If you decide to proceed:
ParameterRecommendation
Dose25-30 mg/kg IBW once daily (not the standard 15-20 mg/kg)
Infuse over30-60 minutes
Peak target60-80 µg/mL (draw 30 min post-infusion)
Trough target<5 µg/mL (draw just before next dose)
TDMEssential - check peak and trough after 1st dose, then trough q2-3 days
DurationConsider limiting to 5-7 days given nephrotoxicity risk
Why TDM is non-negotiable here: She is already receiving polymyxin B (also nephrotoxic). Combining two nephrotoxic agents in a critically ill COPD patient with potentially altered drug clearance is high-risk. You must confirm amikacin is not accumulating.

The Nephrotoxicity Problem

This is the real concern in your patient:
  • Polymyxin B + amikacin = additive nephrotoxicity
  • Critically ill patients already have reduced renal reserve
  • COPD patients often have baseline renal impairment
  • Aminoglycosides are concentration-dependent - once-daily dosing (vs. q8h) actually reduces nephrotoxicity while maximizing efficacy
Monitor:
  • Urine output hourly
  • Creatinine daily
  • If creatinine rises >1.5x baseline or oliguria develops, stop amikacin first

Alternative Combination Partners to Consider

If the MIC is high-end intermediate or you're worried about toxicity stacking, consider these as the second drug alongside polymyxin B instead:
AgentRationaleDose
TigecyclineGood in vitro activity vs. XDR Acinetobacter, no additive nephrotoxicity200 mg load, then 100 mg q12h (double dose for pneumonia)
Sulbactam (via ampicillin-sulbactam)Often retains activity even in MDR strains3g q4h over 4h infusion
MinocyclineUseful if tigecycline unavailable200 mg load, then 100-200 mg q12h
RifampicinUsed as synergistic add-on; never as monotherapy600 mg q12h
The 2024 review (Rafailidis et al., PMID 38534696) confirms: "we have to resort to at least one of: sulbactam, polymyxins, tigecycline, or aminoglycosides for MDR/XDR Acinetobacter infections."

Bottom Line

SituationDecision
Amikacin MIC ≤16 µg/mLYes - use high-dose 25-30 mg/kg OD + TDM
Amikacin MIC 32 µg/mLMarginal - consider only if no better option, high-dose only
Amikacin MIC ≥64 µg/mLNo - don't use
No methyl transferases suspectedProceed with amikacin
Creatinine rising on polymyxinAvoid amikacin, switch to tigecycline/sulbactam
No TDM availableAvoid amikacin - cannot dose safely without it
Get the exact MIC number from the lab before committing. If it's ≤16 and TDM is available, amikacin is a reasonable combination partner. If MIC is higher or TDM is unavailable, tigecycline at double-dose (100 mg q12h) is a safer second agent alongside polymyxin B.
Disclaimer: Clinical decision support only. Adjust based on full clinical picture, local antibiogram patterns, and renal function.
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This is my current setting it's showing mv is low and fio2 is high. Anything to change. Her wt is around 40. Can I try amikacin 50% iv and rest nebulization.?

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Updated Ventilator Assessment + Nebulized Amikacin Question

Reading the New Screen (V-SIMV, 1:01 PM - good progress from morning!)

ParameterNowEarlier (AM)Status
ModeV-SIMVV-SIMVSame
FiO299%100%Still too high - alarm active
TV (set)350 mL550 mL✅ Good - you reduced it
f SIMV10 bpm5 bpm✅ Good - rate increased
PEEP5 cmH2O6✅ Appropriate
Tinsp1.30s1.30sSame
ΔPsupp8 cmH2O0✅ PS added - well done
IntelliCycleONOff✅ Good
Ppeak33 cmH2O46✅ Improved
Pplat32 cmH2O34Marginal - still slightly high
MVe3.6 L/min1.7Improved but still low
TVe361 mL409 mLAcceptable
ftotal10 bpm5She's not triggering above set rate
FiO2 displayed88% (lower right)-SpO2/FiO2 mismatch?

Ventilator Changes Needed

1. FiO2 - Highest Priority (active alarm)
This is a 40 kg COPD patient. Target SpO2 88-92% only. FiO2 99% is dangerous:
  • Worsens hypercapnia (Haldane effect - O2 displaces CO2 from Hb)
  • Absorption atelectasis
  • O2 toxicity
Action: Reduce FiO2 to 40-50% now. Titrate by SpO2 every 15 minutes. In COPD, SpO2 of 88-90% is perfectly acceptable and preferable.
2. Tidal Volume - Weight-Based Recalculation
Patient weight 40 kg. At 6-7 mL/kg IBW:
  • Target TV = 240-280 mL
Current 350 mL = 8.75 mL/kg - this is above the safe limit for a 40 kg patient. This is why Pplat is still 32 (should be <28-30).
Action: Reduce TV to 260-280 mL. This will also slightly reduce Pplat.
3. MV is 3.6 L/min - Still Low
For a 40 kg COPD patient post-CO2 narcosis, target MV is ~5-6 L/min (not aggressive - permissive hypercapnia is fine as long as pH >7.20). With TV reduced to 280 mL and rate 10, MV = 2.8 - too low. So:
Action: Increase rate to 12-14 bpm after reducing TV. This maintains adequate MV while keeping TV protective. Check auto-PEEP after rate change.
4. Apnea Vent is ON with ΔPapnea 15, fapnea 15 - Appropriate
Good backup apnea ventilation settings - keep these.
5. ΔPsupp 8 cmH2O - Good, Keep
PS of 8 above PEEP is appropriate. If she starts triggering more (ftotal goes above 10), you can keep this.

Revised Settings Summary for 40 kg Patient

ParameterCurrentSuggested
FiO299%40-50% (titrate to SpO2 88-92%)
TV350 mL260-280 mL (6.5-7 mL/kg for 40 kg)
f SIMV1012-14 bpm (to compensate MV after TV reduction)
PEEP5Keep 5
Tinsp1.30sConsider 1.0s if rate goes to 14 (more expiratory time)
ΔPsupp8Keep 8
Target MV3.65-6 L/min
Target Pplat32<28 cmH2O

Nebulized Amikacin - 50% IV + 50% Inhaled Strategy

This is a clinically smart approach and there is now good evidence supporting it.
What the Evidence Shows:
AMIKINHAL Trial (NEJM 2023, PMID 37888914) - the highest quality evidence:
  • Large multicenter RCT (n=850 ICU patients on MV ≥72h)
  • Inhaled amikacin 20 mg/kg IBW once daily x3 days significantly reduced VAP incidence (15% vs 22%, p=0.004)
  • Also reduced ventilator-associated complications (18% vs 26%)
  • This was prophylactic use - your patient already has active infection, so the rationale for treatment is even stronger
2024 Systematic Review + Meta-analysis (PMID 39009240) - 30 studies, 12 RCTs:
  • Inhaled antibiotics improved microbiological cure (OR 7.0 in RCTs)
  • Improved clinical cure (OR 2.09 in observational data)
  • No significant increase in mortality but better cure rates
  • Reduced renal impairment (OR 0.65) - key for your patient on polymyxin B
  • Subgroup analysis: combined IV + inhaled amikacin showed the best outcomes for mortality, clinical cure, and microbiological cure - this directly validates your proposed strategy
Why Inhaled Amikacin Makes Biological Sense:
  • Lung ELF (epithelial lining fluid) concentrations after nebulization are 10-100x higher than achievable via IV alone
  • Overcomes the MIC barrier - even an "intermediate" MIC organism may be susceptible at the supra-MIC concentrations achieved locally in the lung
  • Systemic absorption from nebulization is minimal - so nephrotoxicity risk is much lower than full IV dose

Your Proposed Regimen: 50% IV + 50% Nebulized

For 40 kg patient:
  • Total amikacin dose = 25 mg/kg IBW = 1000 mg (high-dose once daily for MDR)
RouteDoseHow
IV500 mg once dailyOver 30 min, extended interval
Nebulized500 mg once dailyVia inline vibrating mesh nebulizer, after IV (same sitting or 6h apart)
Practically this is reasonable. However, the AMIKINHAL trial used 20 mg/kg purely inhaled (no IV). The split approach is pragmatic when you want both systemic and local coverage.
If using nebulized route:
  • Use a vibrating mesh nebulizer (VMN) placed at the Y-piece - NOT a jet nebulizer (VMN delivers 4-6x more drug to the lungs)
  • The Mindray SV300 has a Nebulizer button on the right side - use it to pause PEEP delivery during nebulization
  • Nebulize during inspiration only if VMN supports it
  • Dilute amikacin to 4 mL total volume (500 mg/2 mL + 2 mL saline)
  • Duration: 15-20 minutes
  • Chest physio after to mobilize secretions
  • Monitor SpO2 and bronchospasm during - rare but possible
TDM:
  • Draw peak (30 min post-IV infusion): target 60-80 µg/mL
  • Draw trough (just before next dose): target <5 µg/mL
  • With only 500 mg IV, peak may be lower (~40-60 range) - this is acceptable if you're adding inhaled top-up
  • No TDM needed for nebulized component (systemic absorption negligible)

Safety Watch Points (Polymyxin B + Amikacin Combination)

RiskMonitorAction if triggered
NephrotoxicityCreatinine daily, urine output hourlyIf Cr rises >1.5x - stop amikacin IV, continue nebulized only
BronchospasmSpO2 + wheeze during nebulizationPre-treat with salbutamol nebulization 15 min before
Hearing/vestibular (ototoxicity)Difficult to assess in ICU - minimize durationLimit total IV amikacin to 5-7 days
Neuromuscular blockadeRare with amikacin alone; more with polymyxinMonitor if using neuromuscular blocking agents

Bottom Line

Yes - your 50% IV + 50% nebulized approach is evidence-supported and biologically rational. The 2024 meta-analysis (PMID 39009240) specifically found the combined IV + inhaled strategy gave the best outcomes. The inhaled component achieves supra-MIC lung concentrations that overcome intermediate susceptibility, while the reduced IV dose lowers nephrotoxicity risk - which matters greatly in a patient already on polymyxin B.
Most important immediate action: Get FiO2 down to 40-50% right now - that alarm is the most dangerous current problem.
Disclaimer: Clinical decision support only - adjust based on TDM results, renal function, and bedside response.
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